Comments on: IE7 Exploit Also Affects IE5, IE6 and IE8! More Users In Trouble

By: Morgan Storey

Morgan Storey — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:21:53 +0000

@JoshuaI: And there you said it yourself, “IE8 lets website owners use Clickjack prevention on their sites.” Think about that statement for a second. Basically it means the webmaster has to put in an additional tag to prevent clickjacking, yay. But clickjacking is an issue for users, not as much for webmasters. I visit probably a hundred sites a day and I don’t trust that all the webmasters have secured their site against possible XSS clickjacking or heck even defacement in the form of a javascript payload.
On your other comments, Every person I know who uses firefox uses undo-close tab, the pop-up blocking is transparent. I do see where you are coming from on the browser/os as a religion. I don’t drink the cool-aid I just use what is best for the job, once something better than FF comes around I will use it. If chrome had the plugins I use in FF I would switch to it. IE is horribly slow so unless it speeds up and gets the same plugins, no dice.

By: JoshuaI

JoshuaI — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:32:10 +0000

@Morgan: IE8 lets website owners use Clickjack prevention on their sites.

@Darknet: You said “apart from gestures – but who the hell uses those”, well the same can be said about “undo for closed tabs, content block, cookie management, intelligent pop-up blocking (pop on click), integrated torrent client, new tab quick links”. Who uses those? Nobody uses Mouse Gestures, so why does the FireGestures addon for Firefox have over 3.5 million downloads and All In One Gestures have 3.5 million downloads?

I haven’t seen many people whose brains have been affected by Opera, but you don’t have to be very observant to notice what Firefox does to people’s brains! It’s a browser, but for too many, it is a religion!

And…what are tabs? Please tell me how to use them. Can I download tabs for IE7/IE8? I have tabs in my folder (in real life).

By: Morgan Storey

Morgan Storey — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:48:58 +0000

@navin: don’t use safari, it is woeful, outdated and probably more vulnerable than IE7…

By: navin

navin — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:44:53 +0000

as for me its Firefox on both Linux and Windows and Safari on the mac….I was pretty secure using safari until the recent statements made by Mac CEO’s warning of attacks on Macs

By: David

David — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:20:28 +0000

Minor correction: if this goes back to IE 5, then you’d have to say that IE for Macintosh is unaffected (as IE 5 was the last version on the Mac).

I should add that the web was no friendlier to IE 5 for Mac than it was to Opera or Firefox (sigh). So much for compatibility.

Now I’ve reformed: Camino on Mac, Flock on Windows, and Firefox on Linux.

By: Grokh

Grokh — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:39:29 +0000

@Darknet
Well yeah, but are any of those browsers in use today. Besides both Netcaptor and Simulbrowse are actually IE in disguise! I would consider them shells rather than browsers, huh. I could rephrase myself like “Opera being the first major, still in use browser to offer… “. But the main point is of course that they WORK BETTER now than in any other browser. That’s quite an empirical statement and i don’t want to state it in general for everyone; so Opera is simply better for me. That’s all.
I agree that FF’s strength (and weakness at the same time) are the extensions. There’re things you can do with FF only. For thgose things it’s worth the extra effort to install extensions, update, change with a new working ones.. There’s no holy grail of web browsers. But for casual browsing Opera offers all that one needs and works best. At least for me.
As for gestures, I find dragging a link down to open it in a new window quite convenient. But that’s me.

By: There’s something wrong with IE, you say? :: Streakfury

There’s something wrong with IE, you say? :: Streakfury — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:02:33 +0000

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By: Morgan Storey

Morgan Storey — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:58:10 +0000

@Darknet: I knew there where others before opera but I was to busy to bother google’ing. As for mouse gestures they are the first thing I turn off, the amount of times I accidentally did something in opera due to a simple accidental mouse movement is crazy, and then when you want to do something if the movements aren’t right it doesn’t work. I am not playing black and white, I don’t want to perform crazy mouse movements to do what can be done in a few taps of the keyboard, seeing as I rarely go to the mouse for much naviagation.

By: Darknet

Darknet — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:13:30 +0000

Grokh: Looks like your brain is even more rotten by Opera…it’s made you delusional. The first browser to offer tabbed browsing was InternetWorks in 1994. After that it was Simulbrowse, now called NetCaptor in 1998. Then the Amiga browser IBrowse introduced tabbed browsing in 1999 and finally Opera V4 introduced tabbed browsing in 2000. Same can be said for many of the other features you’ve mentioned, apart from gestures – but who the hell uses those.

By: Morgan Storey

Morgan Storey — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:09:42 +0000

@Grokh: A lot of what you said was nicely coloured with your own beliefs. Extensions are really what give firefox its power, and there are so many that the power is great. I have extensions to pull my gpg key into gmail and other sites, extensions to generate random passwords and manage them, and the all-important no-script to block bad scripts from untrusted sites. Clickjacking can exploit all browsers (opera is no exception) except if you have ff with no-script.
I have FF3, IE7, Opera 9.62, Chrome and Safari on my pc. Mostly for testing sites, and I always come back to FF. Especially now with its better use of RAM, even with 50+ tabs open I only hit about 300mb of ram used.
I will freely admit FF is not the fastest, but it is the most customiseable and useable, and realistically the most secure, the amount of Bugs that come out for opera ie and safari are terrible, at least the ones for FF tend to be negated by stuff like no-script and adblock plus.