Comments on: UK Hacker Gary McKinnon to Fight Extradition http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/ Ethical Hacking, Penetration Testing & Computer Security Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:04:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Navin http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/#comment-124691 Navin Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:02:15 +0000 http://www.darknet.org.uk/?p=955#comment-124691 Update: Gary McKinnon HAS LOST HIS APPEAL with the European Court of Human Rights. Read this: http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/gdh-461186 Update:
Gary McKinnon HAS LOST HIS APPEAL with the European Court of Human Rights.

Read this: http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/gdh-461186

]]> By: Navin http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/#comment-124609 Navin Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:55:49 +0000 http://www.darknet.org.uk/?p=955#comment-124609 Ya saw this on some news channel...some temporary relief atleast!! :) Ya saw this on some news channel…some temporary relief atleast!! :)

]]> By: Brill http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/#comment-124605 Brill Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:29:28 +0000 http://www.darknet.org.uk/?p=955#comment-124605 Some news on this.... THE EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights has temporarily stayed the extradition of accused UK hacker Gary McKinnon until a final revision and decision on 28th august Some news on this…. THE EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights has temporarily stayed the extradition of accused UK hacker Gary McKinnon until a final revision and decision on 28th august

]]> By: Brill http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/#comment-124390 Brill Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:33:55 +0000 http://www.darknet.org.uk/?p=955#comment-124390 A good and very recent example of what have been discussed here about the exagerated use of the term "terrorism". Bin Laden driver (held at Guantanamo since 2002) is facing a posibly life in prison sentence for "supporting terrorism", Does that sound reasonable for being a profesional driver?, it seems that it depends on who is your employer. A good and very recent example of what have been discussed here about the exagerated use of the term “terrorism”.
Bin Laden driver (held at Guantanamo since 2002) is facing a posibly life in prison sentence for “supporting terrorism”, Does that sound reasonable for being a profesional driver?, it seems that it depends on who is your employer.

]]> By: zupakomputer http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/#comment-124372 zupakomputer Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:05:39 +0000 http://www.darknet.org.uk/?p=955#comment-124372 Well, Windows isn't the most secure of OSs, there's a right load of default settings that could be enabled or disabled that lead to compromises and exploits; it didn't say in where I read if he could tell what Windows it was - but just for example if the clients were XP then remote desktop and other remote services are on by default. Which of course doesn't mean much anyway when admin accounts are freely available - I just meant that even a secured Windows does have a lot of potential exploits (and it's just funny because big science places tend to use *nix's or write their own OSs or run obscure ones. I mean even just the image processing areas he may have been searching - usually those would be linked with big visualisation workstations; remember only XP 64 lets you use more than 3.5GB ram, and it's the same story with Vista, you need 64 ultimate.......so I don't know if they were using Server or XP64 on client machines cause that little ram wouldn't even be much use for doing touch ups at NASA level, esp. on bloatware OS that use it all for their desktops, lol). So do other OSs but they don't tend to be as exploitable by skiddie methods. btw to be fair, there's a right load of freeware astronomy apps for Windows, that are damn good! But obviously for the beginner to amateur & hobbyist, like for garden telescopes and portables. Well, Windows isn’t the most secure of OSs, there’s a right load of default settings that could be enabled or disabled that lead to compromises and exploits; it didn’t say in where I read if he could tell what Windows it was – but just for example if the clients were XP then remote desktop and other remote services are on by default.

Which of course doesn’t mean much anyway when admin accounts are freely available – I just meant that even a secured Windows does have a lot of potential exploits (and it’s just funny because big science places tend to use *nix’s or write their own OSs or run obscure ones. I mean even just the image processing areas he may have been searching – usually those would be linked with big visualisation workstations; remember only XP 64 lets you use more than 3.5GB ram, and it’s the same story with Vista, you need 64 ultimate…….so I don’t know if they were using Server or XP64 on client machines cause that little ram wouldn’t even be much use for doing touch ups at NASA level, esp. on bloatware OS that use it all for their desktops, lol). So do other OSs but they don’t tend to be as exploitable by skiddie methods.

btw to be fair, there’s a right load of freeware astronomy apps for Windows, that are damn good! But obviously for the beginner to amateur & hobbyist, like for garden telescopes and portables.

]]> By: gul http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/#comment-124369 gul Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:35:42 +0000 http://www.darknet.org.uk/?p=955#comment-124369 Not sure it was dig, but almost the same kind of not-armfull-tool... And they said, it's like going to some house, and try the door to see if the locker's on, then, watching through windows to see what's inside, looking for some unclosed entrance... It's not like entering, but, looking into a car and saw that the dorr is close, is not the same as testing the door, the trunk, and the windows to see if someone might enter. But, yeah, the NASA guys seem to be really cool. Asking in notepad... I won't have imagine such a funny solution :) Not sure it was dig, but almost the same kind of not-armfull-tool… And they said, it’s like going to some house, and try the door to see if the locker’s on, then, watching through windows to see what’s inside, looking for some unclosed entrance… It’s not like entering, but, looking into a car and saw that the dorr is close, is not the same as testing the door, the trunk, and the windows to see if someone might enter.

But, yeah, the NASA guys seem to be really cool. Asking in notepad… I won’t have imagine such a funny solution :)

]]> By: Navin http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/#comment-124367 Navin Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:29:54 +0000 http://www.darknet.org.uk/?p=955#comment-124367 But Morgan..... if you see a car parked on the side of a road, you won't steal it...(atleast i hope not ;) ) coz laws are strictly enforced over the last soooooo many yrs. The thing with net hacking is that even today the laws are not well defined (I can bet someone'll post a link to a pdf file which goes into intricate details of online laws :) ) mainly because the people who define these laws don't really know what you can and cannot do using a PC with a net connection!! And they use these blurred "laws" to prosecute the so called hackers. the fact of the matter is tht Gary McKinnon was more or less a skiddie who was able to get into servers due to blank passwords....(Now who works at NASA and leaves blank passwords :? ). U decide who's to blame!! @ zupa Read this article in darknet from April end 06 http://www.darknet.org.uk/2006/04/gary-mckinnon-busted-because-he-forgot-the-time-difference/ But Morgan….. if you see a car parked on the side of a road, you won’t steal it…(atleast i hope not ;) ) coz laws are strictly enforced over the last soooooo many yrs. The thing with net hacking is that even today the laws are not well defined (I can bet someone’ll post a link to a pdf file which goes into intricate details of online laws :) ) mainly because the people who define these laws don’t really know what you can and cannot do using a PC with a net connection!! And they use these blurred “laws” to prosecute the so called hackers. the fact of the matter is tht Gary McKinnon was more or less a skiddie who was able to get into servers due to blank passwords….(Now who works at NASA and leaves blank passwords :? ). U decide who’s to blame!!

@ zupa
Read this article in darknet from April end 06
http://www.darknet.org.uk/2006/04/gary-mckinnon-busted-because-he-forgot-the-time-difference/

]]> By: Morgan Storey http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/#comment-124363 Morgan Storey Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:29:36 +0000 http://www.darknet.org.uk/?p=955#comment-124363 @zukakomputer: nothing wrong with windows, a server is only as good as its admin. The fact that this admin had no administrator password, and then opened up wordpad askin who was taking control of the local session points to some majorly inept admins. I mean come on, I have seen my mouse pointer move by itself, I unplugged my network cable so fast that I was just a blur, turns out it was just another tech accidentally connecting to the wrong machine. My point is these people shouldn't be in IT, let alone in IT for NASA. Yeah whay McKinnon did was wrong and a little bit stupid as well, but in no way does he deserve even a year in prison for "stealing a car that the keys have been left in". @zukakomputer: nothing wrong with windows, a server is only as good as its admin. The fact that this admin had no administrator password, and then opened up wordpad askin who was taking control of the local session points to some majorly inept admins. I mean come on, I have seen my mouse pointer move by itself, I unplugged my network cable so fast that I was just a blur, turns out it was just another tech accidentally connecting to the wrong machine.
My point is these people shouldn’t be in IT, let alone in IT for NASA.
Yeah whay McKinnon did was wrong and a little bit stupid as well, but in no way does he deserve even a year in prison for “stealing a car that the keys have been left in”.

]]> By: Morgan Storey http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/#comment-124354 Morgan Storey Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:11:13 +0000 http://www.darknet.org.uk/?p=955#comment-124354 @gul: how did they even know he did a dig, that doesn't even nessesairly touch their servers, unless they host their own DNS, but then it would just be a logged lookup. What he did was wrong there is no arguing that, but it was like if you are walking along and see a car unlocked, if you are ethical you notify the owners (I would, and have) if you aren't you might take it for a spin. If you were caught the Jury would take into account that the car was unlocked, it would be a crime of convenice and you probably would get a reduced/suspended sentance. I don't see any difference in this case, maybe get him to do some community service then let him go. But sending him to Gaol (jail for you americans), wtf? Oh and if he were an Arab they would have already shot him or carpet bombed his house. @gul: how did they even know he did a dig, that doesn’t even nessesairly touch their servers, unless they host their own DNS, but then it would just be a logged lookup.

What he did was wrong there is no arguing that, but it was like if you are walking along and see a car unlocked, if you are ethical you notify the owners (I would, and have) if you aren’t you might take it for a spin. If you were caught the Jury would take into account that the car was unlocked, it would be a crime of convenice and you probably would get a reduced/suspended sentance.
I don’t see any difference in this case, maybe get him to do some community service then let him go. But sending him to Gaol (jail for you americans), wtf?

Oh and if he were an Arab they would have already shot him or carpet bombed his house.

]]> By: Brill http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/08/uk-hacker-gary-mckinnon-to-fight-extradition/#comment-124352 Brill Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:33:26 +0000 http://www.darknet.org.uk/?p=955#comment-124352 Thats right Gul, even more, with the legal definitions used to catalog "computer crimes" (which try to cover any possible scenario) even basic stuff can give you some headache as can fall under something like "Unlawful use of computer" which could be considered a felony in third grade. In adition to that if the system is related at any level to any goverment office or department that would be a good excuse to call it "terrorism" :( Better to have allways the "out-of-jail" card from the owner of the server. http://ot.bloomu.edu/Documents/PA%20Computer%20Laws.pdf Thats right Gul, even more, with the legal definitions used to catalog “computer crimes” (which try to cover any possible scenario) even basic stuff can give you some headache as can fall under something like “Unlawful use of computer” which could be considered a felony in third grade.
In adition to that if the system is related at any level to any goverment office or department that would be a good excuse to call it “terrorism” :(

Better to have allways the “out-of-jail” card from the owner of the server.

http://ot.bloomu.edu/Documents/PA%20Computer%20Laws.pdf

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