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	<title>Comments on: PAW/PAWS &#8211; Python Advanced Wardialing System</title>
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		<title>By: razta</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/07/pawpaws-python-advanced-wardialing-system/#comment-123944</link>
		<dc:creator>razta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Darknet
Thanks for the response. Makes sense now. :-)</description>
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Thanks for the response. Makes sense now. <img src='http://www.darknet.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Darknet</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/07/pawpaws-python-advanced-wardialing-system/#comment-123942</link>
		<dc:creator>Darknet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;razta&lt;/strong&gt; you need an analogue modem and a phone line to war-dial, it&#039;s not through the Internet...so no you don&#039;t need an ISP account and no you can&#039;t do it over broadband.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>razta</strong> you need an analogue modem and a phone line to war-dial, it&#8217;s not through the Internet&#8230;so no you don&#8217;t need an ISP account and no you can&#8217;t do it over broadband.</p>
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		<title>By: razta</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/07/pawpaws-python-advanced-wardialing-system/#comment-123931</link>
		<dc:creator>razta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need an analog modem to run the software sucsesfully, does this mean that you would also need to register for a Dial Up account with an ISP? Or can you use an analog modem over broadband?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need an analog modem to run the software sucsesfully, does this mean that you would also need to register for a Dial Up account with an ISP? Or can you use an analog modem over broadband?</p>
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		<title>By: Navin</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/07/pawpaws-python-advanced-wardialing-system/#comment-123923</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m honoured...seriously!! But tht&#039;s the advantage when U&#039;re on a site like darknet....there&#039;s no teacher or student....all of us are learning from each other

I appreciate the fact tht i can share my viewpoint from an indian/south east perspective with someone from the UK/US/Australia!! after all most problems are perspective related aren&#039;t they??

The glass can be half full or half empty!! what say??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m honoured&#8230;seriously!! But tht&#8217;s the advantage when U&#8217;re on a site like darknet&#8230;.there&#8217;s no teacher or student&#8230;.all of us are learning from each other</p>
<p>I appreciate the fact tht i can share my viewpoint from an indian/south east perspective with someone from the UK/US/Australia!! after all most problems are perspective related aren&#8217;t they??</p>
<p>The glass can be half full or half empty!! what say??</p>
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		<title>By: grav</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/07/pawpaws-python-advanced-wardialing-system/#comment-123912</link>
		<dc:creator>grav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all respect Navin, you probably know more about hacking than I do. More than you learning from me, I feel I am learning from everybody else. I really enjoy talking to all of you and just soaking up everything you have to say. It&#039;s a lot of fun learning new stuff and not meeting people who have that ridiculous snotty attitude about helping others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all respect Navin, you probably know more about hacking than I do. More than you learning from me, I feel I am learning from everybody else. I really enjoy talking to all of you and just soaking up everything you have to say. It&#8217;s a lot of fun learning new stuff and not meeting people who have that ridiculous snotty attitude about helping others.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/07/pawpaws-python-advanced-wardialing-system/#comment-123903</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks a lot grav

seriously Im learnin a lot frm guys like U, Pantagruel, eM3rc, and most recently zupakomputer

hope this continues....darknet is certainly maintaining itself with a good group of serious computer specialists who actually know about hacking (ethical and non-ethical)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks a lot grav</p>
<p>seriously Im learnin a lot frm guys like U, Pantagruel, eM3rc, and most recently zupakomputer</p>
<p>hope this continues&#8230;.darknet is certainly maintaining itself with a good group of serious computer specialists who actually know about hacking (ethical and non-ethical)</p>
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		<title>By: grav</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/07/pawpaws-python-advanced-wardialing-system/#comment-123890</link>
		<dc:creator>grav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O!!!
I thought by when you meant anonymously, you meant concealing your IP address. Concealing your ISP??? Hmmmm... I suppose if you want to do something like that, suppose you are using your computer for nefarious purposes and do not want to be caught... the answer would be war driving. I know this isn&#039;t exactly what you were looking for... or anything close to it... but it does conceal your identity pretty much fully. The only way you could be found out is if you were spied by other neighbors or such, but this could easily be avoided by operating through a public place like a park. All you would have to do is get within a certain amount of feet of a house, which really isn&#039;t that hard, because many houses have their backs to parks. I hope nobody tries this on me... my house has a park facing back : )

Another thing you could look into would be getting your own internet connection. If you don&#039;t go through an ISP, there would be no ISP info. Only thing is, this way, you are almost sure to be caught. All the licenses and stuff would point anyone looking at your IP directly to your address....

Grav

@ Navin

Thank You
I highly enjoy your posts as well
They are of a consistently high caliber

You too zupakomputer
Thank you for all the discussion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O!!!<br />
I thought by when you meant anonymously, you meant concealing your IP address. Concealing your ISP??? Hmmmm&#8230; I suppose if you want to do something like that, suppose you are using your computer for nefarious purposes and do not want to be caught&#8230; the answer would be war driving. I know this isn&#8217;t exactly what you were looking for&#8230; or anything close to it&#8230; but it does conceal your identity pretty much fully. The only way you could be found out is if you were spied by other neighbors or such, but this could easily be avoided by operating through a public place like a park. All you would have to do is get within a certain amount of feet of a house, which really isn&#8217;t that hard, because many houses have their backs to parks. I hope nobody tries this on me&#8230; my house has a park facing back : )</p>
<p>Another thing you could look into would be getting your own internet connection. If you don&#8217;t go through an ISP, there would be no ISP info. Only thing is, this way, you are almost sure to be caught. All the licenses and stuff would point anyone looking at your IP directly to your address&#8230;.</p>
<p>Grav</p>
<p>@ Navin</p>
<p>Thank You<br />
I highly enjoy your posts as well<br />
They are of a consistently high caliber</p>
<p>You too zupakomputer<br />
Thank you for all the discussion</p>
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		<title>By: zupakomputer</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/07/pawpaws-python-advanced-wardialing-system/#comment-123888</link>
		<dc:creator>zupakomputer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh-huh, why did you pick a url that mentioned that particular place?

What the other question has to do with anything is that a proxy has to be a useful thing, otherwise there is no point using it as then you&#039;ll only draw attention to yourself because you are trying to hide.

For example, I&#039;ve just been checking some freebie ones online - they aren&#039;t any use, because they are still broadcasting what ISP you are registered to - it&#039;s just your initial IP that is altered to the proxy sites IP(s), the other one (I don&#039;t know the correct term for it) that details where you are connecting out from - that is your ISPs usual kicking off IP address. 

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible to be online anonymously, unless you are using a connection that does not come from your own phone, landline or cell. All the talk about being able to hide anything is nonsense, because the first place any spying will happen is going to be monitoring things like proxy sites.

If you had untraceable mobile phones, and were able to use their roaming accounts by hacking them (so none of your details are associated to the account), then that would actually be anonymous - except you&#039;d have to disable the tracking chips / RF in the actual phone itself as that&#039;d be broadcasting your location the whole time.

Other than that, maybe masquerades and IP spoofers will work -long enough to conceal where-who you actually are; they wouldn&#039;t be much use for live use in realtime other than to provide a delay in id-ing you, because it&#039;s easy to get software that see&#039;s when spoofing and masks are in use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh-huh, why did you pick a url that mentioned that particular place?</p>
<p>What the other question has to do with anything is that a proxy has to be a useful thing, otherwise there is no point using it as then you&#8217;ll only draw attention to yourself because you are trying to hide.</p>
<p>For example, I&#8217;ve just been checking some freebie ones online &#8211; they aren&#8217;t any use, because they are still broadcasting what ISP you are registered to &#8211; it&#8217;s just your initial IP that is altered to the proxy sites IP(s), the other one (I don&#8217;t know the correct term for it) that details where you are connecting out from &#8211; that is your ISPs usual kicking off IP address. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible to be online anonymously, unless you are using a connection that does not come from your own phone, landline or cell. All the talk about being able to hide anything is nonsense, because the first place any spying will happen is going to be monitoring things like proxy sites.</p>
<p>If you had untraceable mobile phones, and were able to use their roaming accounts by hacking them (so none of your details are associated to the account), then that would actually be anonymous &#8211; except you&#8217;d have to disable the tracking chips / RF in the actual phone itself as that&#8217;d be broadcasting your location the whole time.</p>
<p>Other than that, maybe masquerades and IP spoofers will work -long enough to conceal where-who you actually are; they wouldn&#8217;t be much use for live use in realtime other than to provide a delay in id-ing you, because it&#8217;s easy to get software that see&#8217;s when spoofing and masks are in use.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/07/pawpaws-python-advanced-wardialing-system/#comment-123883</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow thanks a million grav....a long but highly useful post!! cheers :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow thanks a million grav&#8230;.a long but highly useful post!! cheers <img src='http://www.darknet.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: grav</title>
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		<dc:creator>grav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you tried sourceforge.net? They have a huge collection of open source tools and most of them are continuously updated.

About websense. It&#039;s true how &quot;personal pages&quot; are blocked when some well known porn sites are not. A while back at our school, the Web Master had blocked off the word &quot;proxy&quot;

It was impossible to do a google search for proxies at school and any page that had the word &quot;proxy&quot; on it was blocked. The filter would not let us access any image sites either. A couple of the smart kids started using the command prompt to ping the sites, copy down the numerical address and then just input that into the address bar. That worked for about a week. Then, people started going home and finding huge proxy lists, printing them out and just manually trying them at school. The ones that worked were the ones that had no mention of the word &quot;proxy&quot; in them. However, like you said, the WM soon started manually adding them to the global block list.

What this has to do with the above question... I really do not know 
: )

About the streamlined proxy, I don&#039;t know if it is physically possible. Wouldn&#039;t it involve streaming the packets to you faster than if you were getting them yourself? With a middleman like a proxy, I don&#039;t know... I might (probably) be wrong. : )

Here&#039;s a clip of an article about a patent on a streamlining proxy:

&quot;The Santa Clara, Calif.-based company said U.S. Patent number 6,510,448 entitled &quot;System, Method And Computer Program Product For Increasing The Performance Of A Proxy Server,&quot; covers both proxies and context switching. The patent covers multiple systems and methods, but the technology centers on using a virtual machine or other mechanism or module that runs separately from the operating system.

For example, when a process or thread is blocked, the proxy server can switch to a different process or thread, also known as a context switch. NAI says the frequent blocking of network read/write operations can result in frequent context switching, which ultimately reduces the input/output that occurs on a network. The patent points to a software virtual machine or other mechanism or module to speed up that context switching. NAI says in an application to a networking environment, such a system could improve the efficiency of handling input/output operations through improved control of switching between contexts.

The company said the advantage is its software virtual machine method can support restartable instructions on the proxy server to ensure that, when resumed, a previously blocked context will continue with the instruction that had previously been blocked or suspended. &quot;

The full article can be found at : http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/1583921/NAI+Nabs+Patent+for+Helping+Proxy+Servers.htm

Hope this helps even a little bit

Grav</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you tried sourceforge.net? They have a huge collection of open source tools and most of them are continuously updated.</p>
<p>About websense. It&#8217;s true how &#8220;personal pages&#8221; are blocked when some well known porn sites are not. A while back at our school, the Web Master had blocked off the word &#8220;proxy&#8221;</p>
<p>It was impossible to do a google search for proxies at school and any page that had the word &#8220;proxy&#8221; on it was blocked. The filter would not let us access any image sites either. A couple of the smart kids started using the command prompt to ping the sites, copy down the numerical address and then just input that into the address bar. That worked for about a week. Then, people started going home and finding huge proxy lists, printing them out and just manually trying them at school. The ones that worked were the ones that had no mention of the word &#8220;proxy&#8221; in them. However, like you said, the WM soon started manually adding them to the global block list.</p>
<p>What this has to do with the above question&#8230; I really do not know<br />
: )</p>
<p>About the streamlined proxy, I don&#8217;t know if it is physically possible. Wouldn&#8217;t it involve streaming the packets to you faster than if you were getting them yourself? With a middleman like a proxy, I don&#8217;t know&#8230; I might (probably) be wrong. : )</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a clip of an article about a patent on a streamlining proxy:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Santa Clara, Calif.-based company said U.S. Patent number 6,510,448 entitled &#8220;System, Method And Computer Program Product For Increasing The Performance Of A Proxy Server,&#8221; covers both proxies and context switching. The patent covers multiple systems and methods, but the technology centers on using a virtual machine or other mechanism or module that runs separately from the operating system.</p>
<p>For example, when a process or thread is blocked, the proxy server can switch to a different process or thread, also known as a context switch. NAI says the frequent blocking of network read/write operations can result in frequent context switching, which ultimately reduces the input/output that occurs on a network. The patent points to a software virtual machine or other mechanism or module to speed up that context switching. NAI says in an application to a networking environment, such a system could improve the efficiency of handling input/output operations through improved control of switching between contexts.</p>
<p>The company said the advantage is its software virtual machine method can support restartable instructions on the proxy server to ensure that, when resumed, a previously blocked context will continue with the instruction that had previously been blocked or suspended. &#8221;</p>
<p>The full article can be found at : <a href="http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/1583921/NAI+Nabs+Patent+for+Helping+Proxy+Servers.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/1583921/NAI+Nabs+Patent+for+Helping+Proxy+Servers.htm</a></p>
<p>Hope this helps even a little bit</p>
<p>Grav</p>
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