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	<title>Comments on: UK to Become Even More Draconian with Privacy Laws</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: razta</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/05/uk-to-become-even-more-draconian-with-privacy-laws/#comment-124834</link>
		<dc:creator>razta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading a summary of the recommendations put forward by the panel who investigated the future of 'net crime', I could not see where it said "ban the use of software used by hackers", or anything close. Maybe im missing something, or not reading the right section. Can any one else find a reference to banning hack tools within the original papers? Am I reading the wrong papers??? Is all this just media hype??


The future of netcrime now: Part 1 – threats and challenges 
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr6204.pdf

The future of netcrime now: Part 2 – responses 
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr6304.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading a summary of the recommendations put forward by the panel who investigated the future of &#8216;net crime&#8217;, I could not see where it said &#8220;ban the use of software used by hackers&#8221;, or anything close. Maybe im missing something, or not reading the right section. Can any one else find a reference to banning hack tools within the original papers? Am I reading the wrong papers??? Is all this just media hype??</p>
<p>The future of netcrime now: Part 1 – threats and challenges<br />
<a href="http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr6204.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr6204.pdf</a></p>
<p>The future of netcrime now: Part 2 – responses<br />
<a href="http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr6304.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr6304.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jinesh Doshi</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/05/uk-to-become-even-more-draconian-with-privacy-laws/#comment-123250</link>
		<dc:creator>Jinesh Doshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bogwitch, @Pantagruel,

Guys I partly agree with you but just image the amount of fear when your president\prime minister gets killed and than it is followed by some massive attacks like 9/11 or 7/7. I hope none of this happens in any country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bogwitch, @Pantagruel,</p>
<p>Guys I partly agree with you but just image the amount of fear when your president\prime minister gets killed and than it is followed by some massive attacks like 9/11 or 7/7. I hope none of this happens in any country.</p>
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		<title>By: Christoffer Stromblad</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/05/uk-to-become-even-more-draconian-with-privacy-laws/#comment-123248</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoffer Stromblad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave, tell it, tell it brother! There have definitely been questions asked yet to be answered regarding 9/11. I personally think it's fairly obvious why these things are happening. It's not the government we should blame, not really. It's big mega corporations with monetary interests, weapons manufacturers and the like. Those are the real winners here. The federal reserve, all big banks. They are all profiting from this in one way or another.

Meh, it's turning into just another rant. Fuck this, let's go hack on something instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave, tell it, tell it brother! There have definitely been questions asked yet to be answered regarding 9/11. I personally think it&#8217;s fairly obvious why these things are happening. It&#8217;s not the government we should blame, not really. It&#8217;s big mega corporations with monetary interests, weapons manufacturers and the like. Those are the real winners here. The federal reserve, all big banks. They are all profiting from this in one way or another.</p>
<p>Meh, it&#8217;s turning into just another rant. Fuck this, let&#8217;s go hack on something instead.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/05/uk-to-become-even-more-draconian-with-privacy-laws/#comment-123247</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government is NOT to be trusted. There are some smart people on here who know the big agenda. The US already has super computers that listen in to billions of phone calls world wide and emails. The ISP's have all forced to install taps both in the US and here for several years now so everything is already captured. Not all the data but keywords are pulled then alarms sound is something interesting crops up.

BTW there is greater evidence that the UK 7/7 bombs were an INSIDE job just like 9/11 in order to get Brits to accept more security and less freedom. There is so much wrong with the 9/11 story its not even funny as CNN pole recently found 89% believed it WAS an inside job. Even the dumb Americans are beginning to see the truth. 

Little 7/7 clues that don't add up include the number 30 bus was the ONLY bus to be forced detour off its usual route that day. Why would that happen without prior inside knowledge?

Eye witness on the underground that survived the blast said the explosions came from UNDER the carriages blowing metal upwards. They never came from rucksacks.

The rucksack bombers were more likely duped in to the frame as they had good jobs, families and were playing cricket the night before and bought return tickets. Does that sound like a suicide bomber?

Finally the biggest con of all. The anti terror squad said publicly they were doing terror rehearsals on the SAME day at the SAME stations that actually happened for real. Get real the odds of that as a chance is billions and billions to one! Unless they planned the attacks.

While all this happened for 3 hours the public was told it was a power outage on the underground.

Anway, some of you are smart on here you know as well as i do that it wont be long before you are fined for looking at in appropriate sites or doing or saying things against the grain. You will get a Big Brother pop up on your screen to let you know you violated something and fined 150 quid been deducted from your paypal account. Further violations will result in loss of internet connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government is NOT to be trusted. There are some smart people on here who know the big agenda. The US already has super computers that listen in to billions of phone calls world wide and emails. The ISP&#8217;s have all forced to install taps both in the US and here for several years now so everything is already captured. Not all the data but keywords are pulled then alarms sound is something interesting crops up.</p>
<p>BTW there is greater evidence that the UK 7/7 bombs were an INSIDE job just like 9/11 in order to get Brits to accept more security and less freedom. There is so much wrong with the 9/11 story its not even funny as CNN pole recently found 89% believed it WAS an inside job. Even the dumb Americans are beginning to see the truth. </p>
<p>Little 7/7 clues that don&#8217;t add up include the number 30 bus was the ONLY bus to be forced detour off its usual route that day. Why would that happen without prior inside knowledge?</p>
<p>Eye witness on the underground that survived the blast said the explosions came from UNDER the carriages blowing metal upwards. They never came from rucksacks.</p>
<p>The rucksack bombers were more likely duped in to the frame as they had good jobs, families and were playing cricket the night before and bought return tickets. Does that sound like a suicide bomber?</p>
<p>Finally the biggest con of all. The anti terror squad said publicly they were doing terror rehearsals on the SAME day at the SAME stations that actually happened for real. Get real the odds of that as a chance is billions and billions to one! Unless they planned the attacks.</p>
<p>While all this happened for 3 hours the public was told it was a power outage on the underground.</p>
<p>Anway, some of you are smart on here you know as well as i do that it wont be long before you are fined for looking at in appropriate sites or doing or saying things against the grain. You will get a Big Brother pop up on your screen to let you know you violated something and fined 150 quid been deducted from your paypal account. Further violations will result in loss of internet connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Pantagruel</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/05/uk-to-become-even-more-draconian-with-privacy-laws/#comment-123240</link>
		<dc:creator>Pantagruel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jinesh.

The average Jane and Joe represent a multitude of possible targets, bet you can name at least 5 rather large businesses (+1000 employees in one building) which would not be considered 'high' profile but make a perfect target to wreak havoc. 
"If you want to instill fear into their hearts, take the battle to their homes" seems to be the terrorist credo.  It's little use going for a well guarded MP/president since the chances of success are small and the costs are high. Like Bogwitch mentions the general public doesn't usually identify with their MP's/President but will be shaken when the themselves could be the next on the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jinesh.</p>
<p>The average Jane and Joe represent a multitude of possible targets, bet you can name at least 5 rather large businesses (+1000 employees in one building) which would not be considered &#8216;high&#8217; profile but make a perfect target to wreak havoc.<br />
&#8220;If you want to instill fear into their hearts, take the battle to their homes&#8221; seems to be the terrorist credo.  It&#8217;s little use going for a well guarded MP/president since the chances of success are small and the costs are high. Like Bogwitch mentions the general public doesn&#8217;t usually identify with their MP&#8217;s/President but will be shaken when the themselves could be the next on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Bogwitch</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/05/uk-to-become-even-more-draconian-with-privacy-laws/#comment-123238</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogwitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 17:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jinesh,

Historically, terrorists have attempted to create terror among the common people. Part of this is to create as many victims as possible. If high profile targets are selected, the number of victims is likely to be reduced. Also, by selecting a high profile target, an 'ordinary' member of the public feels a sense of removal from the victim.
Take the 7/7 bombings in London or the September 11th attack in New York; the terrorists went for the greatest number of victims rather than the high profile victims.
That said, it is entirely possible that the terrorists would like to select a higher profile victim but there would be easier ways to select that target than hacking the UK ACDB (All Communications DataBase) ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jinesh,</p>
<p>Historically, terrorists have attempted to create terror among the common people. Part of this is to create as many victims as possible. If high profile targets are selected, the number of victims is likely to be reduced. Also, by selecting a high profile target, an &#8216;ordinary&#8217; member of the public feels a sense of removal from the victim.<br />
Take the 7/7 bombings in London or the September 11th attack in New York; the terrorists went for the greatest number of victims rather than the high profile victims.<br />
That said, it is entirely possible that the terrorists would like to select a higher profile victim but there would be easier ways to select that target than hacking the UK ACDB (All Communications DataBase) <img src='http://www.darknet.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jinesh Doshi</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/05/uk-to-become-even-more-draconian-with-privacy-laws/#comment-123237</link>
		<dc:creator>Jinesh Doshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 05:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bogwitch,

Dear Bogwitch i dont agree with your this statement "I doubt this information would be of any use to terrorists, first, they are not particularly interested in high profile targets"

High profile targets are well protected so if they are affected then there will be fear in the minds of common man. Its like if such high profile people are hit then common people will definitely be scared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bogwitch,</p>
<p>Dear Bogwitch i dont agree with your this statement &#8220;I doubt this information would be of any use to terrorists, first, they are not particularly interested in high profile targets&#8221;</p>
<p>High profile targets are well protected so if they are affected then there will be fear in the minds of common man. Its like if such high profile people are hit then common people will definitely be scared.</p>
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		<title>By: Bogwitch</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/05/uk-to-become-even-more-draconian-with-privacy-laws/#comment-123226</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogwitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 08:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christoffer Stromblad,
I doubt this information would be of any use to terrorists, first, they are not particularly interested in high profile targets; they want to cause terror among the common man, and if they were, they have easier ways to identify them.

@Jinesh, @Christoffer Stromblad,
You're quite right though, it would be a goldmine for a hacker to break into this data store. The success of spear phishing attacks could increase dramatically given that an attacker would have access to historic email records. Identity theft would be a real issue, too.
Given that the Government does not have a &lt;a HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt;good record&lt;/A&gt; in relation to protecting our data, how long do we think it will take before this data gets &lt;a HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7197048.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt; dumped on a roundabout&lt;/A&gt;?
Given &lt;a HREF="http://www.inphase-technologies.com/products/default.asp?tnn=3" rel="nofollow"&gt;
newer storage technologies&lt;/A&gt; it will be possible to lose even more data than a couple of CDs at a time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christoffer Stromblad,<br />
I doubt this information would be of any use to terrorists, first, they are not particularly interested in high profile targets; they want to cause terror among the common man, and if they were, they have easier ways to identify them.</p>
<p>@Jinesh, @Christoffer Stromblad,<br />
You&#8217;re quite right though, it would be a goldmine for a hacker to break into this data store. The success of spear phishing attacks could increase dramatically given that an attacker would have access to historic email records. Identity theft would be a real issue, too.<br />
Given that the Government does not have a <a HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm" rel="nofollow">good record</a> in relation to protecting our data, how long do we think it will take before this data gets <a HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7197048.stm" rel="nofollow"> dumped on a roundabout</a>?<br />
Given <a HREF="http://www.inphase-technologies.com/products/default.asp?tnn=3" rel="nofollow"><br />
newer storage technologies</a> it will be possible to lose even more data than a couple of CDs at a time!</p>
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		<title>By: Christoffer Stromblad</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/05/uk-to-become-even-more-draconian-with-privacy-laws/#comment-123225</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoffer Stromblad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 06:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jinesh

Ops! I failed to read all comments properly I see... well done Chris, NOT!</description>
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<p>Ops! I failed to read all comments properly I see&#8230; well done Chris, NOT!</p>
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		<title>By: Jinesh Doshi</title>
		<link>http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/05/uk-to-become-even-more-draconian-with-privacy-laws/#comment-123223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jinesh Doshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 05:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christoffer Stromblad

No offence but i already mentioned this stuff in one line long time back :).</description>
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<p>No offence but i already mentioned this stuff in one line long time back :).</p>
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